"The Canadian legislation on conversion therapy was developed in consultation with a small group of activists on one side of the issue and pushed through Parliament with minimal debate." This comment on C-4, also applies to C-16, the Gender Self-Identification Bill Justin Trudeau pushed through without proper consultation after his 2015 election. 90% of Canadian women are against Gender self ID, yet it was voted and implemented without an ounce of respect for their sex-based rights.
" They then respond that randomized control trials for puberty blockers would not be ethical or even possible. " It would not be ethical if puberty blockers were known to be beneficial and preferable to no puberty blockers. But that is assuming the outcome, not shown, that they are trying to prove. (Ditto hormones or surgery.) It's not known if those in the control arm are actually getting a better treatment, in fact, that's the point....
You wouldn't refuse the people in the control arm any treatment, you could provide psychological and other support, just not medical intervention....?
We really need to get a better measure on the suicide rate. No change to 18% higher AFTER medicalization is a huge range. I've not seen any study that passed through basic quality control show a decrease (unfortunately peer-review does not necessarily equal quality control in this field).
This has nothing to do with gays and Lesbians. They are as much against self ID and affirming care as women are. Gender ideology and Transgenderism are driven by male rights movements, and part of the ongoing attempt to normalize pedophilia and all sexual fetishisms. Most of the leaders and spokespersons of this 'movement' are heterosexual sex fetishists. They are not even transsexuals. They USE real transsexuals.Your average gay, lesbian and bisexual (so, most of them) has nothing to do with it and WANTS nothing to do with it. And no, I'm not a Lesbian.
i wish ppl would kick this guy off is thats possible. no one is this wrong or obsessed about gays. he has to be a trans rights activists pretending to be a gay hater to paint all people critical of gender as bonkers. hes certainly said enough anti gay stuff to be kicked off if they do that here
ur not allowed to lie about it. if u were white and i said all white people are murders and all of them will try to kill u the first chance they get. that would be wrong and racist. and ur doing the same thing when u talk about gays. transgender and gender ideology has nothing to do with being gay. gay is a sexuality. trans is not. so u bringing up gays in a conversation about gender ideology is off topic, what your saying about gays is wrong and stupid and you should be kicked off anywhere were u keep saying this stuff.
im not putting words in your mouth. the things you say about gays are equivalent to accusing someone of murder based solely on their race. most readers here know that after gays achieved the same rights as non gays orgs that championed gay rights had no money. then activists pushing gender ideology with deep pockets created lbgt which tricked people into thinking gays are teamed up with gender ideology. in fact, the two are nothing alike and many gays are starting their own groups like the lgb alliance that doesnt include trans. many people are not yet aware that gender ideology is actually anti gay. gay kids often have gender dysphoria. but they grow out of it unless given gender meds and blockers. homophobic adults are lying to gay kids telling them theyre trans and promoting these harmful drugs that have the effect of permanent loss of fertility and sexual function. this is a crime thats being commit against gays. . gender ideology is actually the most homophobic thing of all time. more people are becoming aware of this every day. gender ideology also harms the rights of a half a doz other groups. this all has been the plan of gender ideology activists. to read more about how this all started heres an article about that
but to answer your question, no this is not being done by gays. this is being done - to -gays. not all gays agree with that since like anyone many have been tricked. but the issue of gender ideology is not about gays.
transgender ppl are often straightt. like store clerks , post men or mail men. trans ppl can be straight or gay. becuase gender ideology is nothing to do with gays.
normalizing pediphia now is done by gender ideology activists. not gay rights. no one is fighting for gay rights bcuz all gay rights have been achieved. its only gender ideology that people are pushing for which actually hurts gays and hurts gay rights. so as usual, you hv it completely backward
gay means same sex attracted. is that what hemo-whatever you said is? no its not. so again you are wrong about what gay is. its nothing to do with that. it only includes same sex attraction. nothing else
"The Canadian legislation on conversion therapy was developed in consultation with a small group of activists on one side of the issue and pushed through Parliament with minimal debate." This comment on C-4, also applies to C-16, the Gender Self-Identification Bill Justin Trudeau pushed through without proper consultation after his 2015 election. 90% of Canadian women are against Gender self ID, yet it was voted and implemented without an ounce of respect for their sex-based rights.
Thank you for this great summary of the issues!
" They then respond that randomized control trials for puberty blockers would not be ethical or even possible. " It would not be ethical if puberty blockers were known to be beneficial and preferable to no puberty blockers. But that is assuming the outcome, not shown, that they are trying to prove. (Ditto hormones or surgery.) It's not known if those in the control arm are actually getting a better treatment, in fact, that's the point....
You wouldn't refuse the people in the control arm any treatment, you could provide psychological and other support, just not medical intervention....?
evidence of that statememt?
thats your evidence? thats not evidence. your wrong and now u know full of it
We really need to get a better measure on the suicide rate. No change to 18% higher AFTER medicalization is a huge range. I've not seen any study that passed through basic quality control show a decrease (unfortunately peer-review does not necessarily equal quality control in this field).
This has nothing to do with gays and Lesbians. They are as much against self ID and affirming care as women are. Gender ideology and Transgenderism are driven by male rights movements, and part of the ongoing attempt to normalize pedophilia and all sexual fetishisms. Most of the leaders and spokespersons of this 'movement' are heterosexual sex fetishists. They are not even transsexuals. They USE real transsexuals.Your average gay, lesbian and bisexual (so, most of them) has nothing to do with it and WANTS nothing to do with it. And no, I'm not a Lesbian.
i wish ppl would kick this guy off is thats possible. no one is this wrong or obsessed about gays. he has to be a trans rights activists pretending to be a gay hater to paint all people critical of gender as bonkers. hes certainly said enough anti gay stuff to be kicked off if they do that here
wrong. not gay rights activists. trans rights activists.
ur not allowed to lie about it. if u were white and i said all white people are murders and all of them will try to kill u the first chance they get. that would be wrong and racist. and ur doing the same thing when u talk about gays. transgender and gender ideology has nothing to do with being gay. gay is a sexuality. trans is not. so u bringing up gays in a conversation about gender ideology is off topic, what your saying about gays is wrong and stupid and you should be kicked off anywhere were u keep saying this stuff.
im not putting words in your mouth. the things you say about gays are equivalent to accusing someone of murder based solely on their race. most readers here know that after gays achieved the same rights as non gays orgs that championed gay rights had no money. then activists pushing gender ideology with deep pockets created lbgt which tricked people into thinking gays are teamed up with gender ideology. in fact, the two are nothing alike and many gays are starting their own groups like the lgb alliance that doesnt include trans. many people are not yet aware that gender ideology is actually anti gay. gay kids often have gender dysphoria. but they grow out of it unless given gender meds and blockers. homophobic adults are lying to gay kids telling them theyre trans and promoting these harmful drugs that have the effect of permanent loss of fertility and sexual function. this is a crime thats being commit against gays. . gender ideology is actually the most homophobic thing of all time. more people are becoming aware of this every day. gender ideology also harms the rights of a half a doz other groups. this all has been the plan of gender ideology activists. to read more about how this all started heres an article about that
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists
but to answer your question, no this is not being done by gays. this is being done - to -gays. not all gays agree with that since like anyone many have been tricked. but the issue of gender ideology is not about gays.
transgender ppl are often straightt. like store clerks , post men or mail men. trans ppl can be straight or gay. becuase gender ideology is nothing to do with gays.
normalizing pediphia now is done by gender ideology activists. not gay rights. no one is fighting for gay rights bcuz all gay rights have been achieved. its only gender ideology that people are pushing for which actually hurts gays and hurts gay rights. so as usual, you hv it completely backward
gay means same sex attracted. is that what hemo-whatever you said is? no its not. so again you are wrong about what gay is. its nothing to do with that. it only includes same sex attraction. nothing else